Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Libya: We warned them.

The British Independent reported Libyan officials warned the American government about security problems in their country:

"American diplomats were warned of possible violent unrest in Benghazi three days before the killings of US Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three members of his team, Libyan security officials say.

The claim came as the country's interim President, Mohammed el-Megarif, said his government had information that the attack on the US consulate had been planned by an Islamist group with links to al-Qa'ida and with foreigners taking part
..."

Naturally U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice blamed the video for starting the riots:

"However, the American ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, insisted that the killings had resulted from a demonstration against a film about the Prophet Mohamed, replicating protests in Cairo, which had been "hijacked" and got out of control."

Um, yeah. They all showed up with RPG's, heavy weapons, and rocket launchers just out of nowhere. Uh-huh.

The Independent has reported diplomatic sources who said that the threat of an attack against US interests in the region was known to the US administration 48 hours before it took place. The alert was issued by the State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security, but not made public. A State Department spokesman maintained: "We are not aware of any actionable intelligence indicating that an attack on the US Mission in Benghazi was planned or imminent."

Ah yes. What is "actionable"? What is "is"?

But President Megarif told the American station National Public Radio: "We firmly believe that this was a pre-calculated, pre-planned attack that was carried out specifically to attack the US Consulate. A few of those who joined in were foreigners who had entered Libya from different directions, some of them definitely from Mali and Algeria."

But, but, but, it was the video.

A senior official of the biggest militia in Benghazi, the February 17th Brigade, told CNN that he had warned US diplomats of a rapidly deteriorating security situation in Benghazi three days before the attack. "The situation is frightening, it scares us," he said he had stressed during the meeting. Mr Stevens had been back in Libya for only a short time before US security officials decided it would be safe to make the journey to Benghazi during the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. The British consulate in the city was shut after an ambush of a convoy carrying Dominic Asquith, the UK ambassador, in which his bodyguard were injured. The UN and International Committee of the Red Cross offices had been bombed and there had been a spate of political assassinations.

Yeah, I know its a "militia". Can't listen to him, of course. Rest of the article

42 comments:

bill said...

This was either a failure to gather intelligence that apparently everyone else had, or a failure to act on what we were told. Can't be anything else, and I suspect it's the latter. Someone - maybe Chris Stevens himself - determined that it was safe enough. It wasn't, and that person, if still alive, should be held accountable for that decision.

Col. Reb Sez said...

Muammar Gaddafi was an enemy of America, but one of the real success stories of the Bush administration was that after the invasion of Iraq he came in from the cold, paid $10 million in reparations to the family of each victim of the Pan Am 103 bombing, and gave up all weapons of mass destruction. He joined the U.S. in the fight against Al Qaeda and in fact helped the U.S. by questioning terrorists with whom we did not wish to sully our hands.

Obama overstepped the UN mandate and drove Gaddafi from power, thus showing the world that America can't be trusted. And he did so to help a bunch of rebels that were thoroughly infiltrated with Al Qaeda supporters. So should we now be surprised that Obama's Al Qaeda allies are murdering Americans?

Oh, and how can we ask any other world leader to give up nuclear or other weapons of mass destruction now when they know that if they do the U.S. and NATO might then bomb them out of power?

Anonymous said...

Obama has been nothing less than a hired assassin for Muslim extremists. His targeted killings are an unprecedented abuse of power.

Anonymous said...

Are you Kidding me 9:25?? Really, "a hired assassin"??
Come on!
I'm no liberal democrat, just the opposite actually) but those type comments make you sound like an absolute fool! And makes Republicans, which I assume you consider yourself, uninformed, beyond 30 sec soundbites.
Sounds like you've been listing to our Republican stepchild Rush again?
Now get off your computer and go check your stockpile of Gas Mask, AR-15's and ammo in your basement.

Anonymous said...

I'm no liberal democrat, just the opposite actually) ...

So you are a conservative Republican?

Anonymous said...

Do you know how many warnings of "possible violent unrest" our diplomatic missions get a day? Just look at the ones reported. Don't even count the ones they don't make public. It is a buttload.

The key here is that they did not have actionable intelligence. If I tell you, "I've heard someone is planning to punch you in the back of the head this month. I don't know who, but I know they don't like you. I don't know when or where, either." How much are you going to change what you do every day? How much CAN you, and still get your job done? What if you get a warning like that every month? Sometimes multiple times in a month?

Being a diplomat, in what amounts to a war zone, is a dangerous job. You can mitigate, but not eliminate, risk, and you can't let it stop you from doing your job. These people (and all of our fsos, as far as I'm concerned) are heroes, and their decisions can't and shouldn't be judged in hindsight.

And if you think the President has better intel than our embassy personnel on the ground, you're an idiot. Where do you think he gets his info?

Anonymous said...

The key here is that they did not have actionable intelligence.

Tell us how you know because short of that you appear to be an Obama apologist.

Anonymous said...

@9:55 AM
Kiss my red-white-blue ass. Obama is a 100% failure and an embarrasement. Your party wanted to remove God from your platform. Your party and your president apologizes for America.

Now run on back to the DNC where the two folks who you all praised so highly were Clinton (pass me another cigar, I've got another girl under the desk) and Chappaquiddick let her die. And nice job on the Russian ships and Turkish planes in the backdrop to your 'salute' to the military.

You and your president are fired.

Anonymous said...

"Do you know how many warnings of "possible violent unrest" our diplomatic missions get a day?"

and how man of those days are September 11?

Anderson said...

Obama has been nothing less than a hired assassin for Muslim extremists. His targeted killings are an unprecedented abuse of power.

Okay, I'll bite. Whom has Obama assassinated for Muslim extremists?

Aren't the targeted killings (drones?) themselves killing *of* Muslim extremists?

Kindly explain in what way the president of the U.S. is a hired assassin. Thanks!

bill said...

10:49, I understand that all the warnings don't pan out (thankfully) and I get it that we can't be running around like chickens with our heads cut off every time we hear that we're going to be attacked. However, we missed this one and missed it badly. I know hindsight is 20/20, but September 11? We have reason to believe that there might be trouble and we stick around in what now has been clearly reported as a hostile environment on September 11 to see if it's true? Not buying it...BB

Anonymous said...

"Tell us how you know because short of that you appear to be an Obama apologist."

You should really read the articles you are commenting on. I don't think it will keep you from looking stupid, but it might give you the appearance of credibility when you try to label everyone that disagrees with you as an "Obama apologist." (I would have also accepted communist, librul, antiChristian, anchor baby, antiAmerican, Jew, cultist[but not Mormons], welfare recipient, union member, gay or gypsy).

I realize that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, but I don't see where I apologized for anyone. My point was that the job is dangerous, and bad guys sometimes win a round, even if we do our best.

Now, if it comes out that someone in the Obama administration had specific, actionable intelligence which differed from the flood of threats they get everyday, then I'm with Bill. Someone (up to and including the President) should be held accountable.

Anonymous said...

I realize that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, but I don't see where I apologized for anyone. My point was that the job is dangerous, and bad guys sometimes win a round, even if we do our best.

No. You wrote:

"The key here is that they did not have actionable intelligence."

Prove it.

Anonymous said...

6:16pm, prove they did have actionable intelligence.

Forming opinions without the facts is, to put it kindly, premature.

And, frankly, my impressions of some of you are less than kind.

Anonymous said...

The protection of our ambassadors is the responsibility of the President as Commander-in-Chief. He appoints them, gives them marching orders, and guards them with the vast national security system at his disposal. President Obama's weekly address of last Thursday showed the pain and responsibility he felt for the national loss of his Libyan ambassador and staff.

Anonymous said...

Anderson puts his intellectual impotence on display. Great job!

Anonymous said...

Quite a few of you seem to miss that even when you have a military base with troops on constant alert, the base can get attacked and people die.

Do you imagine the jihadists stormed the building and announced their presence before hitting it with RPGs? Do you think the guys with the RPG's said to the guards on duty, " Hey, here I am, over here?" Or do you think they waited until the mob formed and then fired the RPGs, really? You think after a year of fighting and attacking Khaddafi these guys learned nothing about surprise attacks? Really?

Have you missed that most of the embassy people got out and the ambassador probably didn't because HIS job was to see to his employees' safety first and his security stayed with him?

Did you miss the people had a " safe house" to which to flee ? Doesn't that sound like a PLAN to any of you?

Our embassy in Egypt dealt with angry mobs for 48 hours before the president of that country got off his arse and did what the country in which the embassy exists is supposed to do. That's different from the Libyan attack.

If any of you know how to secure an embassy so as to protect it from mortar rounds and how to post guards so the enemy is always seen in plenty of time, please let our Joint Chiefs know. They've done ok with angry mobs after Iran. With our troops stretched thin,I'm sure they would welcome your brilliant logistical insights on this new threat.

All you can do is abandon the property to prevent loss of life. And, I don't think for one minute some of you would be criticizing the abandoning an American embassy and you'd be screaming Obama is a " cut and run" coward.

Not everything should be partisan. Not every judgment should be tainted by your personal dislike of a President either. We've had good men like Carter who was a bad President and bad men like Nixon and Clinton who were pretty good at being President.

It's pretty hard to suggest to the rational that a President who orders drone attacks and Seal operations to kill terrorists is not trying to deal with the terrorist threat. At least, he stopped trying to appease the countries that harbor terrorist and hasn't imagined he could buy loyalty.

Really, think before you mouthed off. You might tell your candidate to do the same since he didn't bother to find out that most of the 47% who don't pay taxes are his likely voters...the elderly , the working blue collar, farmers and those with enough tax credits or subsidies to avoid taxes.

Y'all would be waltzing into the White House if you and your candidate would bother to check a few facts before running off at the mouth.

Anonymous said...

Got to love all of the condescension about thinking before mouthing off when the person speaks from ignorance.

It was not an Embassy that was attacked in Libya. The narrative put out by the Administration, after the fact, was that it was spontaneous and born out of a protest. Of course, the narrative contains comments with qualifiers like "from what we know right now" or "based on the information that we have available".

.... about that running off at the mouth.....

Anonymous said...

We've had good men like Carter who was a bad President and bad men like Nixon and Clinton who were pretty good at being President.

[And] wholly inexperienced men like Obama who is easily the most incompetent President since Herbert Hoover.

ophelia fortune said...

As a rule, I can't bear to read syndicated reverse-racist Leonard Pitts (unless I'm trying to lose a few pounds and need a quick way to make myself throw up) but I must hand it to the fellow: his column in today's *CL* was some mighty fine writin'. I think he nailed it. And my hat's off to him for writing 1,200 whole words without ONCE mentioning how terrible-awful us white folks be.

Anonymous said...

8:58 I don't believe it - they must have run of space before he spewed his mandatory boilerplate condemnation of all whites :-)

Anonymous said...

Breath of fresh air:
Canada's Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird: "The Iranian regime has shown blatant disregard for the Vienna Convention and its guarantee of protection for diplomatic personnel. Under the circumstances, Canada can no longer maintain a diplomatic presence in Iran. Our diplomats serve Canada as civilians and their safety is our No. 1 priority." Canadian embassy in Tehran will close immediately and Iranian diplomats in Canada have been given five days to leave. Wow--their diplomat's safey is a priority.

French magazine publishes cartoon of Mohamad. Chief editor: "I live under French law; I don't live under Quranic law."

Little o---uh, we didn't know anything, well, we kind of did, by the way, all of the focus should be on some stupid movie and we'll get that guy for you, but first and foremost, we apologize!

Anonymous said...

Breath of fresh air:
Canada’s Foreign Affairs Minister: “The Iranian regime is providing increasing military assistance to the Assad regime; it refuses to comply with U.N. resolutions pertaining to its nuclear program; it routinely threatens the existence of Israel and engages in racist anti-Semitic rhetoric and incitement to genocide. It is among the world's worst violators of human rights; and it shelters and materially supports terrorist groups. The Iranian regime has shown blatant disregard for the Vienna Convention and its guarantee of protection for diplomatic personnel. Under the circumstances, Canada can no longer maintain a diplomatic presence in Iran. Our diplomats serve Canada as civilians and their safety is our No. 1 priority.” Canadian embassy in Tehran will close immediately and Iranian diplomats in Canada have been given five days to leave. Wow—their diplomats’ safety is #1 priority.

French magazine published cartoon depicting Mohamed. Editor: “I live under French law; I don't live under Quranic law."

Little o: well, um, first of all, let me apologize for offending the Islamists. If the movie ticked you off, we’ll get that guy. And to the people of USA, we didn’t know nothing, 9-11 is just another day, and please stop reading any news sources other than the ones I have bought. And be sure to tune in tonight, cause I’m gonna be on tv again.

ophelia f said...

Yes, you'd think. Perhaps Mistah Pitts had simply run out of bad things to say about us FORMER SLAVE OWNERS AND ABUSERS, as of course we all are, *n'est-ce pas*?:):)

Or perhaps he was low on energy just before deadline. I've no doubt he'll come chargin' back at full volume, the next time something happens he can blame on us.

Anderson said...

"Anderson puts his intellectual impotence on display. Great job!"

Uh, what?

Anonymous said...

You guys live in a fantasy land, where Obama is always apologizing to Muslims and those mean ole Negroes are always talking bad about nice white people. I challenge you to demonstrate where Obama has apologized to Muslims. It hasn't happened and you won't be able to demonstrate it. It fascinates me that you just make up things. Isn't there legitimate criticisms you can make?

The problem is that all of you live in a hermetically-sealed vacuum of knowledge, reinforcing each other with "facts" that aren't facts. You should get out more often, and you would realize that Obama is much more popular that Romney, that federal income taxes have been lowered since Obama became President, and that the size of government has shrunk during this same time. Oh, and that Obama has a nice lead in almost every swing state in the country. He is going to win re-election by an electoral landslide and it's going to be FUN FUN FUN reading this blog the day after the election. Face it: Mississippi is the most conservative state in the Union, yet all of you believe that the rest of the country believes EXACTLY AS YOU DO. They don't.

Suckers.

Today's Specials @ Anderson's Crap Sandwich Shack said...

America's Muslim Kenyan President says screw free speech:

The film was produced in the United States, though its origins are still shrouded. American federal authorities identified the man behind the film as Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55. Though the film does not appear to violate any American laws, the authorities took Mr. Nakoula in for questioning on Saturday over possible federal parole violations connected to an unrelated criminal conviction. That action has done little to tamp down the unrest.

A SHAM detention to placate murderous Muslim extremists and not a word of opposition out of Mississippi's "progressives".

But wait, it gets better:

SITE Intelligence Group, a monitoring agency that tracks militants’ Internet postings, reported late Monday that a prominent Egyptian Salafist preacher, Ahmad Ashoush, had issued a fatwa, or religious edict, saying that “the killing of the director, producer, actors and everyone else involved in the film is mandatory.”

When will the "progressives" speak up?

Anonymous said...

Ding! We have a winner! Congrats to 12:54 for 'playing the race card'. Johnny, tell 12:54 what they've won!

Well, 12:54, by pulling out that tired old card, you've just won a T shirt that says "oh cr@p, they're not buying it anymore! Does this still work?"

Thanks for playing and making our day.

Anderson said...

1:42, I'll refer you on Nakoula to KF's post on the subject.

As for your other point, yeah, that preacher guy should be in jail. So should a lot of people. Maybe we should invade Egypt and bring them the rule of law and the Bill of Rights. People always love invaders bringing constitutions.

Anonymous said...

LMAO @ Today's Specials @ Anderson's Crap Sandwich Shack

Anonymous said...

Your feigned ignorance Anderson is so becoming.

Anonymous said...

Remember Woods and Doherty because frauds like Jackson area attorney anonymous Anderson never will.

Anonymous said...

Congrats to Barry, you've just hit another low.

Obama Campaign Redesigns American Flag

The Obama campaign is now selling copies of an American flag painting that replaces the 50 stars in a blue field with the president’s campaign logo. Another painting is the outline of the U.S.-the stars and stripes replaced with Obama’s campaign logo.

Reactions?
“This is so offensive I don’t know why I’m shocked, but I am. This stoops to new lows.”

“Once again, very shameful. This is a disgrace."

“And just what was wrong with the flag with the stars and stripes?” Why must Obama create his own flag?”

“A good number of my family, including me and my twin sons, have served under the flag. This is so far beyond insulting. I can’t imagine anyone who considers themself a patriot voting for Obama. Who does he think he is?”

Anonymous said...

Obama is having exciting days: the pirate visited yesterday and now a new flag. Apparently, all is well in his world.

Anderson said...

Pirate photo taken in 2009.

Anonymous said...

Pakistan: new television ads with US Embassy seal condemn anti-Islam film and feature Obama
Munir Ahmed,Rebecca Santana, The Associated Press Sep 20, 2012

"Marked by the U.S. EMBASSY SEAL, advertisements condemning an anti-Islam video appeared on Pakistani television on Thursday in an apparent attempt to undercut anger against the United States, where the film was produced."

“The television ads in Pakistan feature CLIPS OF PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton during press appearances in Washington in which they condemned the video. Their words were subtitled in Urdu. "We absolutely reject its content and message," said Clinton in the advertisement. A CAPTION ON THE AD READS "PAID CONTENT." The advertisements END WITH THE SEAL OF THE AMERICAN in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital. It was not known how many channels were airing the ads or whether they were being run in other Muslim countries or just Pakistan.

(pardon the capital letters, didn't now how to do bold)

Anonymous said...

The administration story about the Ambassador's death has now been proven to be nearly all false. We have a President who has outright lied about the matter.

Anonymous said...

I bet those who fight and die for our country don't care for a 'changed' flag.

“President Barack Obama was greeted with fleeting applause and extended periods of silence as he offered profuse praise to soldiers and their families during an Aug. 31 speech in Fort Bliss, Texas. His praise for the soldiers — and for his own national-security policies — won cheers from only a small proportion of the soldiers and families in the cavernous aircraft-hangar. The audience remains quiet even when the commander-in-chief thanked the soldiers’ families, and cited the 198 deaths of their comrades in Iraq and Afghanistan. The audience’s reaction was so flat that the president tried twice to elicit a reaction from the crowd. The selected soldiers who were arrayed behind the president sat quietly throughout the speech. CNN and MSNBC ended their coverage of the speech before it was half-over.”

BG Hunter said...

whenever you hear words are names or factions like: Bábís, Bábí, Azim, or Shaykhi cleric
when you hear of people meeting in Baghdad at the Najibiyyih gardens for a twelve day celebration ayyam-i butun ("Days of Concealment")
get ready your dealing with Radical Islamic Groups

The modern Religion of Islam started in 1844, a 25 year-old man from Shiraz, Siyyid Mírzá `Alí-Muhammad, who took the title of the Báb, claimed to be the promised Mahdi of Islam

The Báb himself was executed in 1850 by a firing squad in the public square of Tabriz at the age of 30 and the community was almost entirely exterminated in 1852–3

In most of his prominent writings, the Báb alluded to a Promised One, most commonly referred to as " Him whom God shall make manifest".

According to the Báb, this personage, promised in the sacred writings of previous religions would establish the kingdom of God on the Earth



this is a little deep but we are talking about a very different part of the world and a very different people

Have you ever heard these Phrases and wondered where they originated:

World Center with a Divine Plan of a New World Order



This is a very interesting family that claim to be a direct decedents of King David (yes from the Bible)

It is most likely that they were actual just and only just descendants of a long line of kings in Persia

Anonymous said...

bg hunter:

you need to hunt your medications, you're not making sense...

Anonymous said...

Will some of you " patriots" please read up on flag protocol and etiquette? There is a difference between a design symbolically representing the flag and the FLAG.

Nobody is changing the flag...your ignorance and gullability is showing.

Anonymous said...

Before 8:23 m, Sept 19th gets all anal again...some of the folks were embassy personnel at the consul including all those killed but not all there, some were employees of the consulate.



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